New Approaches to Climate Change

Too often the ugly, conflict-ridden side of the climate debate is what dominates the blogosphere and news coverage. To a great extent, that’s an expression of human predilection, which the media mirrors.

https://habitaccion.com/purchase-ambien-cr So it’s refreshing when I can hang out with a group of super-smart people who are at the forefront of new approaches to climate and sustainability issues. This week, I’ve been attending the annual Climate, Mind, and Behavior (CMB) symposium in Garrison, New York. I’m particularly interested in the social science work being done on the climate front, and that’s a lot of what the CMB project is about.

https://starbrighttraininginstitute.com/can-i-really-buy-ambien-online I was at last year’s conference, which I wrote about here. For a taste of this year’s event, check out my post at the Yale Forum on Climate Change & the Media. I’ll have a more in-depth follow up early next week.

31 Responses to “New Approaches to Climate Change”

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    https://vita.com.bo/ambien-zolpidem-buy-online Yet history also shows that the human brain loves to confabulate local problems and challenges into global or even cosmic apocalypses. The Noah flood myths come to mind. The other thing the human brain is hard wired to deal with that often backfires is pattern impostion on non-patterned events. Think of deciding a drought is due to some trivial action or chant. And another hard wired brain funciton is to link cause and effect, even when there is none. Since the future crisis the ‘climate concerned’ are obsessed with falls much more into the realm of magical thinking/pattern imposition, I would suggest a more useful conference would seek to critique the assumptions of the climate concerned, rather than to once again seek to pathologize skeptics.

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    hunter –
     
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    My first observation of the constituents of the conference was that they all appeared to be believers. So, even having the word ‘science’ lurking somewhere in the vicinity seems rather anachronistic. The presence of ‘cognitive researchers’ also seems incongruous if there isn’t the faintest interest in asking why people have the fearful beliefs that they evidently do.
     
    It is as if specialists are devoting their lives to finding out why people aren’t making more sacrifices to Thor, instead of asking why they themselves are so fearful of Thor’s wrath.
     
    Again, the the word ‘science’ in this context is an anachronism.
     
    I suppose if their pre-suppositions are so strong that there can be a defined aim of –
     
     “[discussing] ways of effecting wholesale changes in people’s energy consumption to rein in greenhouse gas emissions and help stave off climate change.”
     
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    I think it would be interesting to get responses on why this data is brushed under the table.  Willfully ignoring the evidence is a charge thrown against skeptics constantly, but in this case with arguably the most important measurement of all, there is silence.  Seems someone would be talking about it in a serious manner.

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  6. Tom Scharf says:

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  7. BBD says:

    I hesitate to sound a contrarian note here, but this conference sounds interesting. We should be talking about cities as laboratories for energy efficiency (think about it: ‘energy efficient cities’ is very twenty-first century in a way we can all aspire to, surely?). 
     
    We should also be fully supportive of anyone attempting to:
     
    infuse a wave of fresh ideas and optimism into a normally stale and unproductive conversation.


    Surely?

  8. jeffn says:

    https://starbrighttraininginstitute.com/ambien-buy-mail-order “…the larger goal of the annual CMB gatherings ‘is to discuss ways of effecting wholesale changes in people’s energy consumption to rein in greenhouse gas emissions and help stave off climate change.’ ”
    Social scientists cannot give any insight into why we are unable to  take “action” without defining “action.”
    Is Joshua’s hesitancy about nuclear power really due to his inability to set priorities for long-term threats? Or does he just have questions about nuclear power?
    For me- I’ve been watching this debate for a long time and the phrases “discuss ways…”  to “…effecting wholesale changes in… energy consumption” and “help stave off” are so vague they are nothing t it has no meaning at all other than to allow partisans to be partisans. Dave Roberts at Grist opposes anything other forced recession – something that won’t happen. Marlowe opposes nukes. BBD opposes attempting to affect a “wholesale change” with windmills and solar panels. I oppose slapping massive taxes on energy and expecting it to accomplish anything. 
    Each of us has an “action” we’d support, and several we’d oppose. Amazingly, thanks to the social scientists, we can all declare that everyone but pur own tribe “opposes action” and has a cognitive problem we need to address.
    How helpful.
    Sigh.

  9. Fred says:

    https://exitoffroad.com/zolpidem-tartrate-mail-order One social psychological study worth doing in the “climate change” area is to follow warmist’s thought and behavioral patterns as it sinks into them that the AGW theory is mistaken. How they resolve the emerging dissonance between their beliefs and the truth on this topic is a fruitful area for research. Personality characteristics and situational predictors of continued adherence to the theory in the face of the mounting voluminous evidence against it would be interesting. How warmists rationalize public policies that harm their fellow countrymen for no countervailing benefits (i.e. restrictions on energy development lowering the standard of living, resources wasted on solar and wind energy projects, money squandered on “research”, etc.) would also be nice to learn about.

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    https://arkipel.org/zolpidem-tartrate-10-mg-online A social psychological study of why the American media is largely ignoring the devastating cold and snow in Europe and North Africa would be a fruitful study. Many humans and countless animals have perished. Might it be because of the cognitive dissonance it creates for those who believe in AGW? For some amazing pictures see:
     
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2100136/Europe-weather-Rivers-lakes-seas-iced-bitter-Siberian-cold-leads-temperatures-40C.html

  11. Joshua says:

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    Nice post.
     
    But what is the best road to resolution without discussion to fill in the details for all involved? I think it is through discussion in the format of stakeholder dialog.
    The problem is that people are so invested in not discussing anything except with people that are in agreement. And for that, there are larger epistemological and psychological variables that make cross-group discussions difficult.
     
    I think one way out of the mess is a structured stakeholder discussion through a formal process that includes extensive resources devoted to education. I’ve seen that can work in urban planning, but the advantage there is a more localized focus and a (somewhat) clearer identification of vested interests.
     
     

  12. Vinny Burgoo says:

    https://forumlenteng.org/ambien-overnight-mastercard Keith, which absent constituencies did George Marshall have in mind? From his past statements, I’d guess trade unions, human rights organizations (bizarrely) and (even more bizarrely) immigrants but he tailors his professed beliefs to fit his audience and it would be interesting to hear what he thought CMB wanted to hear.

  13. hunter says:

    “stave off climate change” sort of makes the entire enterprise a useless effort since climate is always changing.
    As to not discussing anything except with those whom they agree, this seems to be counterfactual since this blog and many others permits pretty much a free-for-all discussion of the issue.
     Now big media, with the exception of some of the blogs associated with them is a different matter entirely. But this conference that is the basis of this thread is not really any different from big media in that it is a group only, Joshua points out effectively, talking with those in agreement with themselves.  

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    “So it’s refreshing when I can hang out with a group of super-smart people who are at the forefront of new approaches to climate and sustainability issues.”

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    “A growing number of scholars has been arguing that the greatest impediment to action on climate change is not Big Oil, the Tea Party, libertarian/conservative think tanks, or climate skeptics. Rather, they say, it is the human brain.”

    No evidence of “super-smart” thinking at the “forefront” there.

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    The “smart” thinking recognizes that the problem is the lack of evidence for the ’cause.’ All the rest is Lysenkoist spin.

  15. BBD says:

    Vinny Burgoo @ 12

    Keith, which absent constituencies did George Marshall have in mind?

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    https://creightondev.com/2024/06/24/buy-zolpidem-online 11 Joshua
    One point of serious disagreement between you and I is that I acknowledge that there has been a very serious- expensive even – dialogue of all stakeholders over the past 20 years. We need to learn from it, rather than deny it.
    What do I mean? Global warming got more – and more sychophantic – coverage than any other environmental issue in world history in the the early 2000s. That directly lead Europe into a naive but useful experiment in showing the power of renewables, taxes and “mandates” to solve global warming. We know how that turned out – which is why nobody, even Obama, is willing to pretend otherwise. It’s done, game over. The world is not going to pass a law prohibiting positive GNP or ordering crap. Not gonna happen. Finito, train left the station, you pick the metaphor.
    Which leaves us with the question of whether you think this is a serious enough issue to admit that 40 years of green/ liberal demagoging of nuclear power was… Say it… Wrong.
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  18. Joshua says:

    https://medcardnow.com/ambien-cr-online-canada jeffn –
     
    What has taken place is not what I’m calling serious stakeholder dialog.
     
    For one thing, serious stakeholder dialog requires, well…. dialog.

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  21. Jack Hughes says:

    https://makeitagarden.com/buy-ambien-from-canada Keith is this another parody?

  22. Fred says:

    Another point of contact of AGW with social science thinking is the study of mass hysteria. A classic on mass hysteria is Charles Mackay’s Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds.
     
    An interesting recent piece describes AGW as an example of the phenomena Mackay wrote about. AGW is caleed “the most widespread mass hysteria in our species history.” Further on “Future generations will wonder how so many people could have believed something so suicidally ridiculous.” See:
     
    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/02/17/global-warming-great-delusion/
     
    Yes, Keith, AGW certainly is a fruitful area for social science research. Mass hysteria, cognitive dissonance as the evidence piles up that the theory is mistaken, willingness to inflict painful conditions on others at the behest of authority figures (cf Zimbardo’s Stanford prison study and the Milgrim experiment) and more are all out there to be explored.

  23. hunter says:

    @ Fred 23,
    This article says better than me what I have been saying for years.
    Thanks for the link.
     
     

  24. Fred says:

    @ hunter 24,
    Thanks, and I have much enjoyed reading your thoughtful postings on this site.

  25. Keith Kloor says:

    This is a must-read dispatch from Dan Kahan. Dan’s presentation is one I’m going to cover in my follow-up post. I also had the pleasure of talking extensively with Dan at the conference. His work is essential for anyone who wants greater insight into the climate wars.

    Additionally, as should be clear from his blog post, Dan is a straight shooter.

  26. EdG says:

    Read your ‘must read’ link. Interesting.

    At first I gagged when I read this:

    “Marshall outlined a research protocol that is, in my view, just what’s needed because it focuses on fine grained matching of cultural meanings to the diverse information-processing dispositions that exist in the public. It uses empirical measurement at every stage — from development of materials, to lab testing, to follow-up work in field in collaboration with professional communicators.
    This is exactly the systematic approach that tends to be missing from climate change science communication…”

    That was what I expected from a meeting iof propagandists who seem to be in total denial about the real problems – which is that what is actually missing is evidence that their exaggerated concerns are real, compounded by the crumbling credibility of their project. 

    Then I got to the ‘straight shooter’ part:

    “I was also genuinely shocked & saddened by what struck (assaulted) me as the anti-science ethos shared by a large number of participants.”

    Indeed. Equally true for the anti-science ethos of the whole AGW project, as exemplified by the efforts to suppress debate, censor publication, and label skeptics as ‘deniers.’ It also reveals the ideologues who are just using a facade of ‘science’ are trying to sell their wares.

    So why does anyone still call these people ‘climate science communicators’?

    I think that ultra-mushy term the ‘climate concerned community’ describes them better. It has nothing to do with real science.

    I would expect that Dan will get some rather angry responses.

  27. Barry Woods says:

    Dan’s favourite was George Marshall..

    George who endorses ‘denier’ Halls of Shame for sceptics..
    http://www.campaigncc.org/whoweare

    http://www.campaigncc.org/hallofshame

    Well that gives me some idea of Dan’s judgement on these matters…   

    Mark Lynas was until last week, listed as part of the above Advisory group.
    He said to me at Climate Etc when I asked him about it that Halls of Shame were, ‘shameful’ a while ago

    and he has resigned from the CaCC.. So isDan a straight shooter, maybe, but an unthinking one, perhaps..   As George Marshall has done a great del in the politicastion of the issue and turning ‘sceptics’ into deniers.

  28. Barry Woods says:

    Another George Marshall Hall of Shame… (Rising Tide)

    http://risingtide.org.uk/hallofshame

    usual people Stott, Lomborg, Lindzen, Michaels, etc
    George Marshall IS the problem in the debate about climate communication, because he shows his intolerance, with his sort of ‘climate communication..  

  29. Fred says:

    From Kahan’s dispatch from the Garrison Institute conference Keith has linked to:
     
    “Multiple speakers disparaged science for being “materialistic” and for trying to “put a number on everything.” One, to approving nods of audience, reported that university science curricula had lost the power to inspire “wonder” in students because it was disconnected from “spiritual” (religious, essentially) sensibilities.”
     
    The intellectual level of many (the preponderance?) on the warmist side is even lower than I imagined. It is disgusting that such flakes have been given the power to shape public policy that is contributing to the economic decline of our country.
     
    Kahan does link to an article on the cognitively illiberal state which may have some interesting ideas in it.
     
     

  30. hunter says:

    Keith,
    What is at all new about this group or this meeting? Same ideas- AGW consensus is *the* truth, skeptics congenitally incapable of perceiving AGW enlightenment, how do we enlightened ones make those brutal philistines see that we are right?
     

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