Climate Journalism Q & A

In the super-charged, heavily politicized climate change debate, we journalists often find ourselves getting scorched from all sides: We suck, we’re biased, we’re stupid, we’re clueless, we’re a pack of conflict junkies, a blob of false-balance jello.

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It’s all true. But not all the time. Which makes many people crazy delirious. To which I say, as I do to both teammates and opponents on a basketball court when I throw an errant pass or elbow: sorry, my bad.

https://elisabethbell.com/duoikh6bo Or I can assemble some colleagues who I hope will offer something more meaningful and contrite. And so, without further ado, here’s Charles Petit, science reporter and critic at the MIT-Knight Science Journalism Tracker website; Curtis Brainard, Editor of The Observatory, CJR’s online science and environment news desk; Bud Ward, a veteran environmental journalist and editor of the Yale Forum on Climate Change & the Media; and Stephen Leahy, a freelance environmental journalist, who has covered climate science for the past 16 years.

Essentially, I wanted them to opine on whether we’ve screwed up the big climate stories in recent months–and whether we’re still screwing up. (Please feel free to chime in.) It was a blind Q & A, conducted separately earlier today, and via email. Each person responded to the same two questions:

https://worthcompare.com/j8f2t1m9 Q: Climate advocates and climate scientists alike have asserted (often bitterly) that the press has blown Climategate and the recent IPCC miscues way out of proportion. What do you think?

Tramadol Online Mexico Charles Petit: I think some media have swayed toward berserk coverage, and many other media avenues have largely ignored the whole affair. If the IPCC cleans up its act – after all, its underlying message is solid – the end result might be fine. Besides, media exaggerate so many things – why DO we hear so much about non-events in the lives of celebrities? – it’s hard to pin any special incompetence on news outlets for their handling of this news.

Generalities are always dangerous too. The ways the Guardian and Telegraph handled it in the UK are poles apart. By which does one judge overall industry performance? While the UK coverage was obsessive, in the US, climategate was largely a creature of the internet, not mass media. In both countries, the primary rap for overblown reaction is not on media but on politicians (and others paid to know better) for their overreactions – which inevitably and properly had to be reported.

Finally, in media, most of the egregiously hysterical reactions to IPCC’s sloppy discipline and to the CRU’s emails was by opinion
columnists, not in the straight news reports. The East Anglia emails are a special case, of less significance than IPCC’s summary report errors. Reporters and their editors should know better than to take seriously what amounted to bar-talk among a few researchers furious at their relentless attackers – and venting to one another with meaningless, unrealized threats against their foes. Big whoop.

https://www.goedkoopvliegen.nl/uncategorized/09gy7cxdatz https://asperformance.com/uncategorized/30iouae1z Curtis Brainard: Yes, the press absolutely blew Climategate and the recent IPCC controversies out of proportion. The British press led the way, leveling false accusations of data manipulation and scientific corruption where none existed,in the case of Climategate, and exaggerating the significance of minor errors, in the case of the IPCC report.

https://giannifava.org/9ksrqpd60 That is why I and other media critics called upon the American press to become more involved in these stories – not to fan the flames of hype, but rather to carry out more nuanced reporting and set the record straight. The leaked emails and IPCC were, after all, newsworthy and exposed notable flaws in the scientific process. Unfortunately, when the American media finally came around to the story, their coverage was not very constructive. Articles were poorly structured, poorly sourced, and failed to deliver a “bottom line” for readers in terms of climate science, on the one hand, and climate politics on the other. Displaying typical adoration for the conflict narrative, the headline became, “Skeptics attack scientists’ credibility, poke holes in climate research,” rather than, “Scientists respond to criticism, seek to correct minor flaws and improve their methods.”

https://ncmm.org/ktuq27tvd So, yes, I agree with climate advocates and climate scientists’ criticism that the press blew the Climategate and IPCC controversies out of proportion. On the other hand, I think some of their criticisms went too far. Many in those communities tried to argue that leaked emails and minor errors in AR4 were non-events, and wanted journalists to ignore them completely. That attitude is evasive and irresponsible. The recent controversies should remind journalists that we do in fact need to be more skeptical about information that is presented to us and ask tougher questions our sources, especially the familiar ones. If reporters were more proactive in this regard, things like the leaked emails and the IPCC errors would not seem like such a big deal. Instead, however, they are ceding important stories to skeptics and pundits who manipulate and distort them.

https://worthcompare.com/jwsx17z52ai https://www.mominleggings.com/w2z4tmmou Bud Ward: Generalizing about how “the press” or “the media” cover an issue is as fraught with problems as generalizations, in this case, about the hacked e-mails themselves. This story amounts to one of the rare “fast-breaking” science news stories, and in that sense many of the media missed the boat…early and often.  A fatal early flaw may have been the acceptance, without qualification, by many media outlets of the suffix “gate” as being suitable. We’ve become “gate” anxious in our society, but what happened with the hacked e-mails in no way measures up to the standards of Watergate that gave birth to this craze. The media’s early and unquestioning acceptance of that suffix in effect amounted to game-over-early in the battle for public opinion.

Tramadol Overnight Visa The A.P.’s December review of all the e-mails, and its conclusion that the science remained unscathed, was important and timely…and well-done, and The Economist’s March 20-26, 2010, cover story — “Spin, science and climate change” — are outstanding examples of the best coverage of this whole mess.  But they stand out as exceptions to the rule of generally mediocre coverage overall.

Tramadol Purchase Canada Stephen Leahy: Right off the top it was easy to see there was nothing in any of it from a substantive climate science point of view. The reason it got so much press in my opinion is that media eventually looks for contrarian stories to cover even if it’s a bit thin in terms of content. This varies tremendously with each publication; some actively torque quotes/info to fit their current theme of the month: ‘scientists with feet of clay’. The entire episode says far more about media and how it operates, the lack of knowledgeable reporters and editors, etc. My interview with science historian Naomi Oreskes offers a similar perspective.

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https://www.jamesramsden.com/2024/03/07/x7baiftsu Mastercard Tramadol Q: We have another mini-controversy enveloping climate science, in which Science magazine used a Photoshopped image of a polar bear to accompany a letter from 255 scientists (all members of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences), warning about the looming dangers of climate change. (The thrust of the letter assails “recent assaults on climate science and, more disturbingly, on climate scientists by climate change deniers.”) Again, some scientists are complaining that undue attention is being focused on the image and not the content of the letter. What do you make of all this?

https://asperformance.com/uncategorized/6ryj9tn5 https://musiciselementary.com/2024/03/07/wba3hen4 Charles Petit: This is dumb, but a mere kerfuffle. It was a mistake to use that image not just because it is a montage, but perhaps even more because it is a lame cliche. It’s on the editors at Science – who have apologized for it, not the NAS signatories. These editors should have known better even had the photo been legitimate. A polar bear? Puh-lease. Science’s readers would have gotten more out of a Keeling Curve, even a hockey stick (amended of course to apply all the latest statistical fixes). The shouting about this phony image as a matter of genuine substance is as tiresome as the environmental activists who simply dismiss climate doubters as stooges of fossil energy interests and right wing thing tanks. There is some truth to that but we’ve heard it a million times already. My impression is that it is the list of signatures on the petition that got more news coverage in media and will, I’d hazard, have the greater impact. I hope so.

https://tankinz.com/lu0zt2om Curtis Brainard: I haven’t been following this story too closely, but I’ll make two observations. First, it is of course ridiculous that that people should focus on superficial images rather than substantive texts. But it is perhaps more ridiculous at this point that a sensible publication like Science would give people the opportunity to do so. They should know by now that even a real photo of a polar bear stranded on an ice floe, let alone this manufactured one, is likely distract attention from whatever runs next to it and cause needless controversy. When are journalists going to learn that polar bears and not the greatest poster children if your goal is generate concern for climate change?

Order Tramadol 180 Tabs Bud Ward: Another distraction from the major issue, the real story, of a changing climate and the what/how/and how much of what to do about it. No excuse for this kind of editorial clumsiness, though clearly not of the scientists’ making. This simply hands your adversaries the megaphone that they can use to bury what would/could have been the real story here. They handle such megaphones well, and have done so in this sorry case. Again, the real message gets buried, and the real science and real scientists are the worse off for it, let alone the public. This kind of editorial lapse is unacceptable, and it plays right into the hands of those wanting to continue distracting from the real issues at hand.

Stephen Leahy: Another red herring. This is like whinging about the colour of car that’s about to hit you. So a photo editor at Science used a ‘shopped image as an illustration. Big deal and maybe bad judgement by some lowly editor. What’s that got to do with the content of the letter?

***Postscript***

For additional perspective and analysis on the polar bear photo episode, see Andrew Revkin here, Roger Pielke Jr. here and here, and Randy Olson here.

22 Responses to “Climate Journalism Q & A”

  1. Not sure why you linked Olsen’s blog especially when he says dumb things about the photoshopped polar bear like: “As if the blame should just be placed on the magazine….” Well duh, Science picked the picture. Or does Olsen think Science is in cahoots with those no-good climate scientists in a grand conspiracy to fool the world? Ya probably.

  2. Tim Lambert says:

    My take on the photoshop episode is here.

  3. Some good points made, e.g.

    People “should know better than to take seriously what amounted to bar-talk among a few researchers furious at their relentless attackers ““ and venting to one another with meaningless, unrealized threats against their foes. Big whoop.”

    And perhaps the bottom line of the media’s role in all of this:

    “media eventually looks for contrarian stories to cover even if it’s a bit thin in terms of content.”

    Though clearly not all media are equally guilty of this.

  4. Lewis says:

    Why do your interlocuters insist, like many others, on talking about ‘minor errors’ and ‘indiscretions’!? The CRU and AR4 are indicative of a concerted effort to dominate with a particular narrative – the reaction of the British press was both honest and, yes, aghast – this was, after all, a British tragedy! We might all be guilty of group think but, somehow, we expect more from our scientists – instead of being wedded, however sincerely, to a post-christian, evangelistic, second legend of a second fall, the bogey men in our bins! We are rightly shocked when history suddenly elevates/one group of people and they abuse that position, however enevitable it is! We are dealing with extra-ordinary claims – such claims need extra-ordinary scrutiny!

  5. Lewis says:

    I’m sorry if I sound a bit shocked and forgive the spelling and bad grammar – I’m writing with a mobile. Complacency always shocks me – that and a sort of unconscious conceit that one has dealt with the said complacency! When one knows history, when one has seen ‘ the ass come along, beautiful and strong’, those big, fat errors of mankind, one sort of starts to panic when, again and again, this is repeated!

  6. Brad Johnson says:

    What a wasted opportunity this was, as real news — Nashville destroyed by biblical flooding, the Gulf of Mexico in danger of being turned into a dead zone, the worst coal mine disaster in 40 years, the collapse of climate legislation in the Senate, the Cuccinelli attacks on UVA — is happening.

    Instead we get people’s opinion of whether a photo-illustration is an important issue.

  7. Keith Kloor says:

    Brad,

    And we can step back and look at the coverage of those stories in due time.

    But I’m not even sure what you’re complaining about.  One question was about climategate/IPCC media wave. Is it not worthwhile to reflect on that with some media critics and environmental journalists?

    Incidentally, your grouping of “real news” stories is intriguing. Are you saying they all have climate change as the common denominator?

  8. Sashka says:

    Randy Olson says stupid things not only in his blog but also in his comment on Dot Earth, see #13 under

    http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/09/sweating-the-details-in-climate-discourse/

    so maybe it’s not a bug but a feature. But I don’t see as a reason not to quote him.

    IMO, the story with the doctored photo is not as trivial as some think. The fake image shows a bear on a small and very thin ice flow amidst a vast expanse of ice-free water clearly suggesting that the poor bear would be in trouble soon. That’s not a mere touch-up, it’s a spin. We have too much of that too often which is why you observe the knee-jerk reaction.

  9. Sashka I wouldn’t throw stones at Olson if I were you.  Your insistence that the Arctic sea ice loss has been reversed in a previous thread is completely at odds with the facts including the observed increase in air and water temperatures.

    FYI polar bears are in trouble.

  10. Sashka says:

    BTW, Mr. Leahy:

    Here’s a link where your favorite “scientist” Dr. Serreze laments his “reactions” to 2007 “melt” (I am putting in quotes because it was actually mostly a flush):

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7086746.ece

    On a separate note, over the course of two days you misspelled three out of three surnames on this blog: Serreze, Olson and Oreskes. Not like it’s terribly important but it’s a disturbing pattern for a journalist, don’t you think?

  11. Sashka says:

    Steven, I will choose my targets myself, thank you very much.

    As for the facts regarding the ice cover extent, I think the sooner you stop embarrassing yourself the better. Here is a last week quote from National Snow and Ice data Center: “Ice extent for April 2010 was the largest for that month in the past decade.”

    http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

    As you have probably heard, you are not entitled to your own facts.

  12. Keith Kloor says:

    Sashka (10):

    The misspelling of Oreskes is my fault. (And thanks for the catch.) In fact, I had a number of unfortunate typos in the Q & A that required correcting–after I hit the send button.

    Such is life w/out an editor for this independent blog. I’ll have to reread my blog copy more diligently.

  13. Sashka (11)
    The NSIDC link you provided says:
    “Arctic sea ice extent averaged 14.69 million square kilometers (5.67 square miles) for the month of April, just 310,000 square kilometers (120,000 square miles) below the 1979 to 2000 average.”

    Secondly it’s winter and that mean’s it is still pretty darn cold in the Arctic.

    Not sure why you bring this up when I have been talking about summer sea ice.

  14. Sashka says:

    Yes it does say that. What it means is that the current sea ice extent is essentially normal relative to recent history. It is not a trivial bit of information for someone who believes in the trend of declining ice cover year-to-year. Rest assured spring (yes, April is not a winter month, Stephen) ice cover extent correlates with summer very well. You would easily convince yourself in that if you were interested in facts. However, since I’m not sure that it is the case, here is a plot of September (that’s end of summer, Stephen) ice extent anomalies, ending in 2009. You will observe a sharp rebound from 2007 low, especially in 2009.

    ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/DATASETS/NOAA/G02135/Sep/N_09_plot.png

    But this is not the whole story yet. Here’s another nice plot that might help you realize that things are more complicated than you believe:

    http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/n_plot_hires.png

    You are not going to tell me that you cannot see a reversal, are you? Worth a thousand words, isn’t it?

  15. Temps of -15C  to -30C  seem to be more winter than spring to me even if the calendar says April.

    The Sept 09 minimum was just an average decline —  not outliers like ’07 or ’97. These have been explained and do not reflect the fundamental changes going on. And besides 2 or 3 years do not represent a trend.

    You’ve got the wrong link for April its:
    http://nsidc.org/images/arcticseaicenews/20100504_Figure3.png

    Ice cover is just one indicator, ice thickness is a better indicator.  NSIDC also says “sensor from April 19 reveals numerous polynyas, or areas of open water in the pack ice in the Bering Sea, and broad areas of more scattered ice cover in the Sea of Okhotsk, Barents Sea, and Hudson Bay. Such conditions usually indicate that ice is about to retreat rapidly”

    But we’re boring everyone else and that’s not the topic Keith wanted to get into. So let’s leave it at that and in a few months we’ll know more.

  16. Sashka says:

    Sure but I can tell you what will happen right now. It will be another near-normal year. By the end of the summer you (your camp) will declare that another year doesn’t change the trend and so forth until another flush event occurs maybe 20 years from now. That would be the confirmation of all catastrophic projections made in 2007.

    For the record, I never said that the trend doesn’t exist. What I am saying is that 2007 was a rare flush caused by the winds (not melting) and it was not a harbinger of any catastrophic changes or an ice-free Arctic ocean as the professional panic-mongers claimed.  It was a one-year event that was quickly reversed to normal. So far it reversed only on the area basis but eventually the volume will be restored as well. Multi-year ice needs time to grow. Many years indeed.

  17. DHM says:

    Brainard: “When are journalists going to learn that polar bears and not the greatest poster children if your goal is generate concern for climate change?”

    Perhaps *journalists* should have a different goal?

  18. Steve Bloom says:

    Re #16:  The 2008 and 2009 minimum extents were higher than 2007, but there was nothing “near normal” about them.  As NSIDC summarized:

    “The average ice extent over the month of September, a reference comparison for climate studies, was 5.36 million square kilometers (2.07 million square miles). This was 1.06 million square kilometers (409,000 square miles) greater than the record low for the month in 2007, and 690,000 square kilometers (266,000 square miles) greater than the second-lowest extent in 2008. However, ice extent was still 1.68 million square kilometers (649,000 square miles) below the 1979 to 2000 September average. Arctic sea ice is now declining at a rate of 11.2 percent per decade, relative to the 1979 to 2000 average.”

    If you think a two-year reversal of the decline means something, you need to explain why the same thing happened in 1982-3, 1991-1 and 2000-1 even though the trend resumed afterward.

    Anyway, hopefully your dream will come true.

  19. Steve Bloom says:

    In my preceding comment that should be 1991-2.

  20. Sashka says:

    Steve,

    If you cannot read then I don’t know how I can help. Please refer to the last paragraph in 16 where all your questions are already answered.

  21. Steve Bloom says:

    I see:  11.2% loss per decade is “normal” and an ice-free summer Arctic this century is nothing to be worried about.  Got it.  Re the recovery of the thick ice, I won’t hold my breath.   

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