{"id":14136,"date":"2014-12-22T11:34:15","date_gmt":"2014-12-22T16:34:15","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.discovermagazine.com\/collideascape\/?p=14136"},"modified":"2014-12-22T11:34:15","modified_gmt":"2014-12-22T16:34:15","slug":"treat-celebrities-champion-muddy-science","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.keithkloor.com\/?p=14136","title":{"rendered":"How to Treat Celebrities that Champion and Muddy Science?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> 
<a href="https://raceflowdevelopment.com/gallery/">Get Ambien Prescription Online</a> Last summer I was at a party where the guests included a bunch of successful heart surgeons. I spoke at length with one of them (I&#8217;ll refer to him as Dr. X) who has known and sometimes worked\u00a0with <a href=\"http:\/\/nyp.org\/physician\/mcoz\" target=\"_blank\">Dr. Oz at\u00a0New York-Presbyterian hospital<\/a> in Manhattan. Dr. X is in his 40s.\u00a0He told me Oz had been a mentor to him.<\/p>\n<p> 
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<a href="https://plazadelencuentro.com/quem-somos/">https://plazadelencuentro.com/quem-somos/</a> I was reminded of my\u00a0conversation with Oz&#8217;s medical colleague after reading <a href=\"http:\/\/www.slate.com\/blogs\/bad_astronomy\/2014\/12\/19\/mayim_bialik_actress_scientist_alt_med_believer.html\" target=\"_blank\">this recent Phil Plait post<\/a> at <em>Slate<\/em>. In it, Plait essentially makes the same kind of rationalization.<\/p>\n<p> 
<a href="http://masterfacilitator.com/teamfacilitation/"></a> Earlier in the year he had <a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/BadAstronomer\/statuses\/440698847715524608\" target=\"_blank\">promoted<\/a> on Twitter a picture of five well-known actresses with stellar science backgrounds. They were held up as role models. There was a slight problem, though. One of them was\u00a0Mayim Bialik (with a real-life Ph.D in neuroscience) who played a scientist on <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cbs.com\/shows\/big_bang_theory\/\" target=\"_blank\">The Big Bang Theory<\/a>. As Plait notes:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p> 
<a href="https://blackhillsballoons.com/experience/safety/">Order Clonazepam Online</a> The thing is, she also holds a number of beliefs with which I and many others disagree, some of them very strongly. For example, she\u2019s a spokeswoman for a group called Holistic Moms\u2014they support homeopathy, a provably worthless and arguably dangerous bit of \u201calternative medicine.\u201d They are also strongly anti-vaccination, and Bialik herself supports anti-vaxxers (she has stated she has not vaccinated her own children, a position I am strongly opposed to).<\/p>\n<p> 
<a href="https://alpineinterface.com/hiking-travel-chamonix/">Tramadol For Sale Online</a> I knew all this when I retweeted the picture. I\u2019ll admit, I hesitated before doing so, specifically because of this. Is promoting this picture also promoting anti-science beliefs? Looking at the responses on Twitter, a lot of people think so. I see their point, but I also don\u2019t think this is quite so black-and-white.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p> 
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<a href="http://www.amandasatoz.com/?page_id=1322"></a> This is true. The same purist criteria would exclude numerous famous champions of science. The comedian Bill Maher comes to mind. He&#8217;s a staunch defender of evolution and climate science, but he&#8217;s also <a href=\"http:\/\/scienceblogs.com\/insolence\/2009\/11\/17\/bill-maher-flames-out-over-vaccines\/\" target=\"_blank\">loony on vaccines<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.scientificamerican.com\/but-not-simpler\/2013\/10\/16\/argumentum-ad-monsantum-bill-maher-and-the-lure-of-a-liberal-logical-fallacy\/\" target=\"_blank\">and GMOs<\/a>. I&#8217;ve previously <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.discovermagazine.com\/collideascape\/2010\/11\/24\/when-liberals-are-deniers\/#.VJgkmVJgAA\" target=\"_blank\">wondered<\/a> why he and others who reject science in these cases aren&#8217;t labeled &#8220;deniers,&#8221; which is the term used by many to label those who outright reject the reality of anthropogenic climate change. (Personally, I avoid using &#8220;denier&#8221; because of the Holocaust connotation; I discussed the climate nomenclature issue with colleagues some years ago <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.discovermagazine.com\/collideascape\/2010\/11\/20\/whos-a-skepticdenierdissentercontrarian\/#.VJgqYlJgAA\" target=\"_blank\">in this post<\/a>.)<\/p>\n<p> 
<a href="https://blackhillsballoons.com/experience/">Order Zopiclone Online</a> Bill Nye is a similar case study in selective application of scientific principles. The famed &#8220;Science Guy&#8221; is a well known public figure, a sort of people&#8217;s ambassador of science. Like Maher, Nye also\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com\/2014\/11\/17\/bill-nye-challenged-to-debate-gmos\/\" target=\"_blank\">spouts nonsense<\/a> on GMOs. Nor will he engage with those <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.discovermagazine.com\/collideascape\/2014\/11\/10\/open-letter-bill-nye-plant-scientist\/#.VJgu-FJgAD\" target=\"_blank\">who call him out<\/a> on this nonsense. Is he in denial? I don&#8217;t know, but at some point I think he&#8217;ll have to explain why he\u00a0accepts\u00a0what mainstream science says about evolution and climate change but not GMOs.<\/p>\n<p> 
<a href="https://ramedicare.com/contact-us/">Buy Xanax Without Rx</a> What&#8217;s interesting to me about these contradictions is how they are treated by science writers and bloggers. Maher&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/www.sciencebasedmedicine.org\/oh-come-on-superman-bill-maher-and-western-medicine\/\" target=\"_blank\">odd views on vaccines and western medicine <\/a>have been thoroughly rebuked, mostly by skeptic bloggers.\u00a0Have journalists given him a pass? <a href=\"http:\/\/well.blogs.nytimes.com\/2009\/10\/13\/bill-maher-vs-the-flu-vaccine\/?_r=0\" target=\"_blank\">Not entirely<\/a>, but I don&#8217;t recall Maher&#8217;s anti-vaccine rants in the late 2000s getting much attention outside the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.slate.com\/blogs\/bad_astronomy\/2009\/10\/13\/bill_maher_schooled_by_bill_frist.html\" target=\"_blank\">science blogosphere<\/a>.\u00a0(It should be noted that political journalists and writers have widely scrutinized\u00a0Maher&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/www.theatlantic.com\/international\/archive\/2014\/10\/bill-maher-dangerous-critique-of-islam-ben-affleck\/381266\/\" target=\"_blank\">views and statements on Islam<\/a>.)<\/p>\n<p> 
<a href="https://rgprincipal.com/equipo-colombia/"></a> The same goes for Nye&#8217;s curiously unscientific views on GMOs. After I <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.discovermagazine.com\/collideascape\/2014\/11\/06\/bill-nye-explains-gmo-skeptic\/#.VJhA8VJgAA\" target=\"_blank\">wrote about this<\/a>\u00a0last month, a few\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/richarddawkins.net\/2014\/11\/the-science-guy-goes-after-gmos\/\" target=\"_blank\">scientific venues<\/a>\u00a0took notice. But it was a no-go zone for most others.\u00a0This reticence\u00a0intrigues me.<\/p>\n<p> 
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